As you all know, I've apologized to those involved, I allowed myself to be bullied into something that I shouldnt have given the ic reasons, jupiters deathmatch being the reason. I reacted because im an emotional mess. Ive been going in for appointments, and ive got a lot of medical issues i cant disclose right now. Point is, I allowed eve to bully me into something I didnt want to do, and she's become too much for me to handle, too much for me to trust. Jupiter should have Ludicael, and I think it would be right that we go ahead and revoke the disband or at the least allow aria to fight for it. I was foolish and I'm sorry to everyone, I'm sorry that I'm not being a strong admin. I'm failing you guys, I know I am, and I'm trying so hard not to and I can't stop.

Im sorry but I cant vote. None of the options suit me so I will have to say to do whats needed with eve (i dont know what exactly happened) and let ic events happen.

choices were changes since eve quit by free will

I would say to let Aria continue to challenge. Jupiter is in limbo because of the deathmatch and I haven't seen too much of Viv.

I say either:

-get the dm judged and done, and if jup wins she can go claim it back
-or let the heir challenge and give the judging time

Either way this is happening after the DM. It should just happen, and if Jupiter lives Aria will still let her back in and will give the pack back. Then she could pop in once the DM is judged.

Edited after seeing Ais's post.

Judge the dm quickly and once Jupiter is good (if she wins) then she could step in. But if she loses then still let Aria challenge.

You see, the issue I have is that I have to pull some ridiculous excuse out of my ass for why she ICly left.

Everyone in that claim thread is assuming that she's gone 'missing' or 'left' when she was going to come directly back after the DM and lead. That means it's based at least a week or two or a few days after the DM. All of this being if I win, of course.

If not, she died and it's pretty obvious why she didn't come back, but everyone would know of her death because Deteste would be there to come back and deliver the news. So would Mercury. And the pack still would have regardless gone to Aria or Deteste would have come back to lead.

We should make a rule where packs are allowed to go on hold if the alpha is in a DM, IF they have an active beta or second alpha.

Lu is in the process of rewriting the fighting rules with conditionals and circumstances included in them, so it may be a possibility in the future.

But what we're faced with is figuring out what will happen now with this ridiculously stupid time gap and unnecessary drama.

already planned, ais,


also why cant this be set before the DM?

I still stand by what I said. Viv was the 2nd Sol but hasn't been around, so Aria is stepping up. Let's just let it happen IC because if Aria loses and Star lives then she could just step in.

Edited after seeing Lu's comment.

Because then it is throwing everything off. It happened after the Dm, so right now it should be going on at the same time.

I agree with azzy. Viv wasn't around, so let the beta fight for it!

The pack wasn't ""inactive"" in the first place before the DM, so I think that's why it's not a possibility.

Oh, okay. So let's say Jup lives. She comes back. "haha okay hi guys my omniscient controllers had this big misunderstanding where ludi wasn't actually supposed to be disbanded but now it is so hahahha jokes on you guys okay lemme back in now"

seems like it'll go over quite well, I agree. c:

someone just needs to break the vote

This all wouldn't be a problem, of course, if everyone in the thread wasn't acting like she'd gone missing and has been gone for like a week or two. If it had been posed as a plot to steal the pack while she was involved in a DM, it'd be a completely different story, but that's not how the thread has gone, so that's not so easy.

We are not going to rush this vote--only about 4 have voted, which isn't even half of the staff. I'd say to put everything involving Ludi on pause and give everyone 24 hours to vote so that everyone can have their chance.

why cant it be before the DM? lots of threads were started after the DM began? 0.o those are all set before. i really dont see a valid reason this cant be done.

Because it's going on while Jupiter is doing her DM/recovering from it if she is alive. I don't see why it's becoming a big problem now. SOme members would know about her being gone due to the DM because of the meeting Aria was holding (but couldn't continue because of computer problems) so I dont understand why some think she is missing.

The only reason why I think it can't be done before the DM is because the timelines are too far warped for repair if that happens. The "disbanding" would have never happened before because it was never an issue, so basically Awaken would be some crazy guy claiming a pack where the non-missing alpha was apparently missing. And everyone would be leaving and overreacting when half of the people in the pack had seen her ICly like yesterday.

I think it can't be done now because of the way the thread has been treated and the way people are setting up the scenario.

EDIT: They would have known about the DM before it ever happened since a pack meeting was planned before the DM to inform everyone of it. I'm still waiting for one post in the birthing thread to make this happen, but I'll probably just go and end up posting anyway to get it moved on and get this part of the misunderstanding banished.

Like I said, give everyone 24 hours to vote and whatever is decided will be what happens.

We should just let others vote and once that is done just let things happen IC.