This is a thread to discuss the ability for wolves to completely dodge a maim or dominance challenge at any time. It was said by Lutara that because they are not official they do not need to be answered. A lot of us see a problem with this, and if enough of us want that rule changed to that all challenges must be answered or risk default, then it /can/ be changed.

For example, Syrinx was challenged to maiming by Oddity, and Syrinx simply chose to completely dodge it and initate a new challenge to Isardis for Glaciem. Yes, a character attempted to intercept Oddity but surely it is powerplay to presume it worked, that is up to Oddity? What do you think?

Reply with your thoughts please! <3

I don't see a problem with trying to dodge oddity's maim. The only reason I'm upset is that Syrinx acted as if Oddity didn't even try to go towards him(wasn't even mentioned in post) and went off and did something else. Dats all.

I can see others intercepting a fight, but i can't see allowing a complete dodge. For example, if a wolf is trying to go after canttina, then kus could intercept and end up fighting them for her and or with her. But having a character go "woops don't wanna fight byeeeee" wouldn't make sense lol.

I think it is 100% power play to just assume Syrinx got out without a scratch. There should have been AT LEAST one post invloving Syrinx getting attacked by Oddity then IF sei chose for Oddity to be intercepted completely then it would have been alright for Syrinx to just move on. There should be a default, Syrinx losing the fight because of such intense GM and PP. not targeting anyone, just expressing my opinions. XD life shall go on.

I have to point out that the update says a wolf must emege from a challenge as a victor before they can answer or issue another challenge.

Because this rule has never been discussed, I don't think it's fair to suggest Syrinx defaults this time, purely because there was no rule in place.

But what is the point of Tier 3 and below members initiating Dominance/Maim Challenges when to avoid a KO the attacked character can just full dodge it? I feel like there is hardly any point to the Siege if this is the case. And I have to agree with Canttina's idea of saying an interception is possible, but the character BEING intercepted must allow it for it to happen; or else it is powerplay.

If we allow this, the ony ones doing any real damage in the Siege will be Tier 2 & 1, surely this makes everybody lower feel totally useless? Haha, because quite frankly they have no point when all their attacks can just be ignored and dodged.

EDIT: Agreeing with Muse, Oddity attacked purey due to that rule. It should stay in place to avoid confusion.

I honestly don't see a problem with it. Even in real war or whatever, idk realistically to me it seems ok. I was told that we were allowed a dodge or something. Interceptions happened/happen(Whatever version of the word lol), but the one being challenged should also acknowledge that he was being threatened/challenged. Syrinx's escaped seemed valid to me, but hey what do I know >.>

The way it seemed to me was that the interception happened before Oddity reached syrinx, but I suppose there should be some clarified rule or whatever. Again, idk to me realistically it seemed alright.

Yeah I found it rather unfair my self and completely power playing and god mooding fully; the post hardly even interacted with Oddity and the wolf simply assumed that Oddity was successfully intercepted; but that is not their choice it is Sei's completely.

As I've been told, not to assume that a hit met it's mark; this is the same thing but with a different prospective.

as it has been said previously, i agree that it is, essentially, up to oddity whether or not the interception was successful, and syr should have waited to post until that was decided upon because now it is considered pp in my eyes that it was just assumed oddity was stopped.

I read it as this:

-Oddity launched an attack for Syrinx
-Sephiroth attempted to intercept Oddity
-Syrinx went on to challenge for Glaciem ( avoided the fight altogether )



Now, this whole thing started as a MAIM challenge, which we all know can have an unlimited number of contenders.

Now. Shouldn't this be considered as Sephiroth joining the maim challenge rather than nullifying it altogether? Which would mean it's Oddity v Syrinx & Sephiroth.

I think that fight (the one v two maim challenge) should go down and get a victor, and then if Syrinx doesn't get knocked out he's welcome to challenge for Glaciem (provided he isn't thrown into another fight first).

I told yumpy this morning that i had no qualm with going back and fighting oddity, first of all xD

Second of all, there was no powerplay in my post at all. I did not assume she was intercepted at all--I merely stated that Sephiroth gave Syrinx notice of another coming towards him and that HE avoided HER i said nothing regarding her state of mind. Though, if you'd all like for me to carry out a fight against Oddity--i'd be more than pleased to do so.

Well, you said you would go back if other members had a problem with the full dodge; so that's the reason this thread was put up because I think it needs to be clarified in the rules. If you are going to go back and fight Oddity, as the majority seem to think you should do (?), a rule needs to be put in place to ensure this confusion doesn't happen again.

Example?
- All challenges targeted towards your character must be answered, and you must come out of said challenge as a Victor before you can initiate another (or answer a challenge of which your character is required eg. member challenge, pack challenge).
- Interceptions are simply the opposing/intercepting character joining in the fight of which character they attemted to cut off.
eg. Bluey vs. Reddy for Maim - Pinky attempts to intercept Bluey and this becomes: Bluey vs. Reddy and Pinky for Maim.

Do we also need a rule in regards to... eg. Isardis vs. Gael for Maim (infinite rounds) and then Syrinx comes up with a waiting Pack Challenge. Will the 3 day default rule start only from when Isardis' maim is concluded?

Cool down periods, also? = Gael vs Canttina for Gael, Gael wins, can Isardis then challenge for Gael?
Or- Gael vs Canttina for Gael, Canttina wins, can Chrysanthe then challenge immediately to get him back?

ANOTHER THING. Isardis vs. Chrysanthe for Dominance. Isardis attacked. If he suddenly realises he is a big baby would submission to Chrysanthe in an attempt to exit the fight result in KO?

OMG EDITED TO ADD ANOTHER! lolol. So Isardis vs Chrysanthe for Maim, Vask wants to join (but he cant maim) can he jump in for a different reason? So Vask would say in his post 'Isardis and Vask vs Chrysanthe for Dominance' or can he not fight for different reasons than the others?

Wow yumpy xD okay so now im awake'


oh and i know you said you would--i just wanted to explain to people that I wasn't against this since so many seemed to get defensive is all.


anywho regarding everything you said let's break this mother down.

I'll add these to the rules immediately:

1.All challenges targeted towards your character must be answered, and you must come out of said challenge as a Victor before you can initiate another (or answer a challenge of which your character is required eg. member challenge, pack challenge).

2.Interceptions are simply the opposing/intercepting character joining in the fight of which character they attemted to cut off.


AND REGARDING the other stuff to explain--

1.The three day rule begins the moment the other fight is concluded. If the leader is KO then they will obviously default to the rise of challenge.

2. just to clarify KO doesn't mean knock out in terms of they got knocked out--it means it in terms of they got knocked out of the siege.

3. Member challenges have the same rule they have had since Isardis vs. Chrysanthe for Liberty they have a two week grace period. Obviously, challenging in the same thread is not plausible.

4. Submission in a fight is a KO

5. Yes, Vask can jump in for other reasons. He can be going for dominance even if others are attempting something else entirely. Everyone has different reasons to fight to be forced to conform to the things someone else wants is unfair and I think a bit lacking in the wants of the other character.

Thanks for clearing all that up, Lu. <3

Also, perhaps a rule should fall in place for in-siege promotions. If you are able to promote and demote during a siege it will never end. So perhaps something put in place against that?